Oct23 I posted
on LogoPhere a contribution I made to the Mondoweiss discussion over David Gerald Fincham's
documents that reveal the true borders of Israel and Palestine."
In my long MW
comment, although generally supporting Fincham's major points, I raised an objection
to one I had a problem with:
|I can’t agree with your soft
position. Nothing that is man-made is irreversible. The fact that
GoI has “fully integrated” Palestinian land means nothing about
who has a moral and legal claim on it.
Fincham's response was
firm but not entirely rational and certainly not supported by international law:
Fincham October 23, 2014, 6:51 pm
"The fact that GoI
has "fully integrated" Palestinian land means nothing about
who has a moral and legal claim on it."
Yes it does. The Israeli
citizens living in the "fully integrated land" have the same
human rights as every one else. It is not their fault that the Israeli
government took that land from another people 66 years ago. They cannot
legally be driven from their homes, nor can a piece of territory legally
be transferred from one sovereignty to another without the agreement of
a majority of its residents. That is why I say Palestine should be given
territory (empty as far as possible) in the Negev as compensation for
the territory which was stolen from it in 1948-49.
The other commentators weren't
impressed, and told him so, pretty well trashing his idea that stealing land
from a people gives the thieves some sort of legal claim to that land. But
one of the commentators, a MW regular named "mooser," took an ad
hominem swipe at me, as she/he often does. Here is mooser's jab:
October 24, 2014, 12:02 pm
"When kids fight
over the last brownie, many moms will make one of them cut it in two,
and the other one then gets first choice."
What about when a larger
kid smashes the face of a smaller child, and then steals his lunch,
complete with brownie?
Denis, you know what you
can do with that lame equivalency hasbara? Every solution you ever
thought of skips any kind of Zionist accountability. Why is that?
My retort, for the
record, sets forth my vision for Palestine. Interestingly, this
comment was barred by Fincham, likely because he got so badly beat up over his
response to my first comment.
October 24, 2014
Mooser: "Denis, you
know what you can do with that lame equivalency hasbara?"
Well, just guessing . . .
does it have something to do with the sun not shining or fart-whistles?
solution you ever thought of skips any kind of Zionist accountability.
Why is that?"
First of all, I am
flattered to the very depths of my inflated ego to realize that you are
keeping a running inventory of all of my "solutions." If you
want to compile them into a best-seller, go ahead. I suggest "Der
Judenstaat" as the working title.
"Zionist accountability" -- as much as I despise the 20th c.
Israeli version of Zionism, I fully admit, Zionist accountability is not
a concept that has ever crossed my mind. Not even when smoking pot,
which is when just about everything crosses my mind, or what's left of
I initially thought that perhaps I should apologize to you b/c I had
never worked "Zionist accountability" into my
"solutions," but then it occurred to me how Mandela never
included "Afrikaner accountability" into his solutions for
that apartheid fustercluck down south. He spent 27 freaking years in
that Robben Island hell-hole and upon release all he wanted was
reconciliation instead of "accountability." So . . . like, you
got a problem with that approach?
Is that were you think we ought to be going with this whole thing --
accountability? That clearly infers revenge, punishment, and more dead
children. If that is your position, then it is you who needs to be
considering depositing "solutions" in your fart-whistle.
My solutions are built on a vision of i-Jews, p-Muslims, (and i/p-Christians)
all coexisting in Palestine/Israel in a way that allows them each to
contribute freely to the species' intellectual, economic, and spiritual
evolution -- and I'm thinking 10th c. Cordoba as the basic model here. I
think Herzl was thinking that way, too. In order for that to happen,
they have to stop killing each other.
My vision is Israel and Palestine each having complete sovereignty and
their own army, navy, and air force, and a mutual defense treaty for
covering each other's back.
Yes, you are correct: Zionist accountability is not on my agenda. I
personally see Zionism as a scourge and a sickness. But accountability?
Sorry, I can't accommodate you on that one.